" THE DESTROYER "
STARTED : 1979
AREA : Lower east side.
NAMES WRITTEN : RICH 2, RH, PROVIDE 133
WRITING GROUPS : RTW, TNS, TD, WOW, TVS.
LINES HIT : Every BMT!... IND's, 1's, 2's, 3's.
1) Where are you from and when did you start writing.
I am born and raised
on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. The home stop is East Broadway on the "F"
line. The last stop in for those who may not know. My writing career started
in 1979 around September.
Some of the first names I had seen up was well before I started writing seriously. I used to go motion tagging with a homeboy (Flute 5) in like 1975, and these were some of the first names I saw: Uncle john, Vinny 3YB, IN, K55, STIM, Cliff,
TERO, TEE, TO TOP. These are some of the names I saw early on while trying to write on the "J" line. I was inspired to write by a cat who did not really make a name for himself but was well known on the Lower east side, his name was CANO 707. I used to watch him do pieces on the handball courts amongst other places in the hood, and he came off cool with us cats who were just starting out.
The first time I ever
"HIT" a train was in October I believe I know it was in 1979. It was myself,
EL3 RIP, BYE TNS, and a cat who wrote LUS TNS. It was at the "D" yard in the
Bronx. We were in there for about an hour just staring at a JESTER throw up
that was always on that first train as you entered the yard. I had one can of
red Flo- Master, and a NIJI that wasn't pinned. I had most of the ink all over
my hands, but it felt good! I was scared as shit, fronting like I was bold. We
hit the yard for about an hour until the ink ran out, and we were out of
The first crew I was ever down with was the TNS CREW (They Never Stop). EL3 was the president of the crew. I joined the crew the day we went to the "D" yard (1979). Later on as I got a little more fame, I wrote for these crews: RTW, RTWOW, TD, ROC STARS, ROC STEADY, and TVS. I associate my name today though with TNS, RTW, and TD.
This is a good question. I had to think about for a minute. EL3 Really introduced me to the world of graffiti. He took me
under his wing, and
showed me the ropes. He was not a big cat, but he was a down cat. The
relationship started out as like he
was sort of a mentor to me. He used to take me around and introduce me to
writers like LEE, and PEO aka CISCO. I was surprised at the time that he was
well respected, so I respected him for that. The relationship changed as I got
more into writing. I became the TNS enforcer, and more like a big brother to
EL. It became a mutual respect. The word that comes to mind when I think of my
man EL is survivor. The kid was straight street, and was able to survive and
battle while living strictly in the streets day and night. My heart is heavy
just writing this piece. I miss him to this day. We talk about true friends,
that kid is my true friend. I keep a picture of me, EL3, and DY TNS in my house
to remind me of where I am from.
I have hit all of the IND and BMT lines inside and out. I did most of my damage there. I have had times when I bombed the IRT's but those times were few and far between. I could call myself all-city, But I will leave that to other writers who did put
in more years than I have and deserve the accolade. We throw the All-city props around too easy in the graff world. There are really not too many writers who can honestly call themselves all-city writers. I can truly say that I killed the BMT's and IND's. If there was a list of all time great's on the BMT's and IND"s I would be very interested to see where my name would wind up. I done a lot of work. no, I do not call myself all-city.
These are the names
that I have written during my graffiti career. ICE13, Rich2, Richer, Prove2,
RH, and Provide133.
That is a tough question for me to answer, but I will try. The crew RTW was already on the map when I was recruited. The
|writers who put the crew on the map as I know it are: Bil Rock, MIN ONE RTW, QUIK RTW, and SACH RTW. There were other writers as you know who were well known who were down with the crew, but in my mind at the time, these were the names I regarded as those who put RTW on the map. I must say though that RTW was established by many writers who I have never had the chance to meet well before I was ever recruited that probably deserve props for repping RTW.|
I have had a very interesting writing career in regard to who I have been fortunate enough to know and to write with. There have been some unknowns who are my boy's and some of the all time great's who are my boy's. Some of the names: EL3,
SOE TNS, LUS ONE, REVEAL TNS, PLUS and JS from BKLYN, SAGO, BOE RTWOW, MIN ONE
(My Brother), QUIK, SACH, HAZE (SE3), IZ, REVOLT, BOOZER, KEL1st (My Brother),
MARE139, PADE RTW@. There are some who I have forgot to mention who will be
pissed, and a whole lot of tipsters from the lower, but if I forgot you it was
probably because you were not worthy of being on this list. It had nothing to
do with you being cool.
I think that you would have to answer that question. The writer's that I respect from my crew, have given me reason to think that all of those inside bombs were important. My hand styles were innovative and very cool to me. it was much more work to bomb the insides of trains than it was the outsides. I personally don't think that I have been given enough credit for killing
the insides, and I am sure there are many other writers who feel the same. I believe that you have to have that all-around effectiveness you talk about in your question in order to be considered for those inside props. When I ride the New York City Subway System today, I am still looking at the trains to see where my tags were at, and I wonder if they have forgotten to buff some of them. I can't believe that Transit has buffed all of that graff! Yeah, in thinking about it, I think I have been over looked for bombing insides. I hear about all of these web sites that have tag pages and I have not even saw my tag on any one of them. I ask you, am I not worthy? shouldn't my name appear on all of those pages? You tell me and the people out there who visit your web site.
We had war and beef
with too many writer's and crews to mention in an interview. I will say though
that the RTW crew was not phony while I was writing. Either you was with us,
or you was against us. That was my philosophy about writing in general, and
all of the crews that I was a part of. To this day, I only stand for the crews
that I rep. I will die a member of the TNS, RTW, and WOW crews. I only
represent those crews that my peeps began, or were presidents of. I respected
the fact that EL3 was the president of TNS, I respected the fact that MIN ONE
was the president of RTW. I was true to the crews in that respect, that is why
you heard so many stories of me fighting beef that may not even have been my
own, but if it was my dogs from the crew, who ever it was had to get it. That
is how I got the "enforcer" tag. I got it the old fashioned way, I earned it.
If you ask anyone that ran with me, they will tell you that I represented in
just that way. I hope this answers your question.
The best stories I have about paint involve how powerful the RTW crew was. I need to tell the graff world that I never "racked" a can of paint during my whole career! MIN ONE was the king of the rack while I was writing, and it was EL 3 before him. There are stories though of being able to go to the crib of SACH RTW, and ask for some paint, and just fill up bags of paint from the GARAGE full of paint that he had during the early 80's. There were many times that he would give us 50 to 100 cans of paint for us to bomb with. Other times QK would call us up and "invite" us to come and bomb. All I had to do was show up and be myself and I had no problems getting paint. I got thousands of cans over the course of my career just hanging out on the platform of the BKLYN Bridge waiting for writers' to show up with theirs. There were too many of those days when I went home with 20 to 25 cans of paint in a given day. most of the time, though it was either a vick, or MIN and BOE would rack the paint. On the other hand, I did work most of the 80's in a Stationery outlet in Queens. There, I had access as the "returns" specialist. I was able to order ink and markers on the company, and we were always full of pints of ink and markers, and NEVER had to pay for none of it. I led a charmed life as a writer. Just like in life, it is not what you know, but who you know. The RTW crew was strong and versatile like that. They took care of the paint, and I would take care of the rest. Do yall get the picture? No worries when it came to supplies. My Grand mother passed away, but in her home, I still had about 2,000 of those 'hello' my name is type stickers that I signed and everything in 1987. At that time, I had planned to come out and be putting them things up in the Subway System in the year 2000, but I never got that chance.
Yeah there has been a lot written without the mention of RTW. I challenge you and your web site to find a more versatile, tough, inside, outside, throw-up, burner, wild style, and still together for the most part today crew than RTW. The RTW crew has been one of the crews that transcended graffiti. We had thugs, graduates, scholars, and guys from all walks of life.
|Sometimes when I went bombing, some of the combinations of writers was amazing. I don't see any other crew that was as versatile as RTW and any crew who could say from man to man that they bombed more. We as a crew have so many members that are like hall of fame material, then you have guys like myself who really made their claim with muscle, and heart. I have read many stories of graff and done plenty of research, and no we do not even get no where near the props that we are do. I also understand that writers are happy to do these types of interviews to pump themselves up. I am not in that category. I can tell the hones truth about my career, and feel good about it being just that, the truth. There are many other crews that I respect and that are due the respect of others in the game, but if you do not know about RTW, and you are a writer, new or old, you do really need to do some research. I believe that RTW is the best crew of all time. Take an honest look, and you will|
have to agree. I am feeling good still even today, and proud that I can say that I am one of the "hard core" members of the RTW crew. I give props to all of those who are members of the crew. They know who they are.
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