Started in :
Main lines :
A's, D's , B's , K's , CC'S, RR'S.
Writing Groups : CAC, TPA,
1) What year
did you start?
writing graffiti in the Bronx ( Kingsbridge area ) in 1977. I started on
trains in 1981 in Richmond Hill, Queens.
2) Who were
the first writers you seen up and who influence you to do it.
In the Bronx,
Where it all started I came across plenty of tags that Influenced me,
Among them were: JIMMY HA HA , TRACY168, BLADE & COMET, KONE MAFIA,
DESTINY. Although JIMMY HA HA was the coolest, I never met this guy.
3) How did you
find the name DOLE.
I was writing
the DELKO and came across DELK TBK tag and felt his name has to close to
mine, so I sat down and took my letters I wrote well and tossed them
around until I found DOLE.
4) Could you
tell us about your first trip hitting the trains and What was going thru
The first time
I hit a train was a motion bomb at Woodlawn . on the A line. I was
determined to go bombing and had a bag full of welfare paint.The first
time I went bombing was at the legendary Grant tunnel in Brooklyn.... I rode from
leffert blvd ( My home station ) to Grant, alone, there I met DOC, KC ONE AND
ZEST . These brothers actually took me down inside grant. I remember the
tunnel being pitch black, holding on to ZEST shoulders, going down the
ladder and the size of the CC flats.. Enormous! you could not tell me
shit. Amazingly on the first trip, I did not do insides I just did a piece
( ugly of course) but DOC and ZEST threw me down with R.V.R and R.i.A. It
was a good day like ice club would say.
5) Who where
the first writers you went hitting with the most and what lines where
After DOC and
ZEST and KC ONE episode. Grant was my second home, I was young at the time
(14 years old ) so on any given afternoon, I could be found with BO
DRUGS at grant bombing CC's or at oxford and greenwood bombing A's (
My home line ).
6) The CAC
crew was killing the insides back in the day, who were all the members and
what yard, lay ups did you guys focus on most.
The CAC crew
consisted of two bases at two separate times. The first group was / is
based in Queens consisted of RAB, KAYZEE5, SLAM , DESIRE, SURE and myself.
The second crew was based in Harlem and consisted of SLAM ( who moved
to Harlem ) , SUSIEE, HP173rd, DEN and myself.In Queens we mostly hit
Grant lay ups, Oxford and Greenwood, the Pitkin yard and 175th ave on the
E and F lines. In Harlem, 175th was our home, unless there was snow storm
then it was 155th ( Our home station ).
7) Did you or
your crew ever go all city.
teams went ALL CITY at least once. RAB introduced me to the idea of going
all city and then I moved to Harlem, HP173 and SUEIE also was ready to go
beyond our home lines to tear shit up.
8) did you
ever have any war with other writers and could you tell us a little
Yes during my
Harlem days we had major beef with this crew FK. Who lived above 175th
street lay ups. It was a misunderstanding that had to do with SLAM but
what can you do. It got ugly at times and phone calls had to be made but
hey were still here. I summed it up by borrowing a quote from IZ THE WIZ,
" when your up, they want to write with you or fight with you."
9) Who would
you say was your core partner in those days.
During the war
days, my partner was the CAC family.. RAB, SLAM, HP173, SUEIE, DEN, RAZE,
KEZ, and extended family( When calls were made) : CHINO BYI, ROACH TFV, BET TFV, OD, SAST, VANEL
10) Could you
tell us some raid any raid stories and have you ever been busted.
one of those phone calls, I remember being dusted and Cisco'd up in 175th
beating down some kids who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong
time. We ( it was at least 12 of us ) were coming out of the tunnel, onto
the station. A downtown A train coming into the station, me and SUEIE
jumps onto the train and try to our best to look innocent ( I'm dusted but
trying.. ) This train sat at 175th street for about 5 minutes until a cop
came around with one of the poor saps that just got his ass handed to him
and pointed to me and SUEIE. Damn, out of all of us, he chose two.... SUEY
and DOLE. Come to think about it , Every time I drank CISCO, I got
arrested. Go figure. Me and SUEY spent the weekend on Riker's island for
that episode. I was also in the 3 yard once by myself, when something made
me go into the conductor's booth and looked out the window. I actually saw
cops creeping, they gave chase and I got away but in all honesty
that was the only time I seen cops in the lay up.
11) Do you
think inside artists are over looked in the history of Graffiti.
Not at all, I
understand the outsides was where the art was, a much easier story to
tell. Although the insides was where the action was, I don't feel slighted
12) what was
the ink of choice in those days and did you and your boys like pinning
your markers and using uni's.
My ink of
choice was Flo Master, after they folded I settled for Marsh but my
favorite was Super market ink. As for markers, I made mine out
of ban roll on, pencil and school issued erasers ( The pencil was part to
keep the eraser from falling into the bottle ). I remember pinning my
Pilots when I was a toy paying my dues but as I got familiar with
everything, I would learn to appreciate a new pilot or Magnum tip.
13) How important do you feel
hand style is in being a writer.
writing is very important. It determines if you was to be taken seriously
or not, how much trouble came your way.
14) Who do you think is the
most over looked writer in history.
question. I don't see or hear many discussions on MIN's impact or SAGO's
either. WOW peaked in the 80's and when RTW and WOW came together ... that
was major stuff. IZ THE WIZ
,COPE2, DURO, SKEME, all deserve Holidays in thier honor.
15) What is
DOLE doing now days.
for the MTA ( can you you believe that shit ) and can be found at Madison
Square Garden come fight night. I have a jones for the fight game (Boxing
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